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might sell off. >> i thought to myself that is about time for a good debt ceiling crisis. that is "hardball" for now. all in with chris hays starts right now. >> tonight on "all in." >> i thought it was a very, very strong signal, or whatever. >> the president meets the press responding to the manafort raid. to wake him up, perhaps his family was there, that is pretty tough stuff. >> addressing the russian president. >> i want to thank him because we're trying to cut down on payroll. >> i'm very disappointed in mitch, touting his nuclear build up. >> i want this, our nuclear arsenal to be the biggest and finest in the world while calling for nuclear disarmament.
>> let's see what he does with guam. >> tonight, making sense of the president's escalating rhetoric on north korea, his full frontal attack on his party's leadership, and the fighting in the white house. >> "all in" starts right now. >> good evening from new york. i'm chris hays, another remarkable day at a course in new jersey where today the president of the united states took a break from his vacation to face sustained questions from reporters for the first time in months. it is the closest we have come in a long time. they sounded off on just all about of the topics of the day including new attacks on senate majority leader mitch mcconnell. >> i'm very disappointed in mitch.
honestly, repeal and replace of obama care should have taken place, and it should have been on my desk the first day or the first week i was here. i have been hearing about it for seven years. >> for the first time he responded to vladimir putin to accura drastically cut staff to help sanctions. >> i want to thank him because we're trying to cut gown on payroll, and i'm very thankful he let go of a large number of people because now we have a smaller payroll. no real reason for them to go back. i greatly appreciate that he has been able to help our payroll. >> the president also talks about the russian investigation including the fbi raid on his former campaign chairman saying the news took him by surprise and the predawn raid was pretty
tough stuff. heel al lalso said he has no inn in firing robert mueller. >> have you considered a dism s dismissal of the special council. >> i have not given it any thought, i'm not dismissing anybody. i want them to get on with the task, but i also want the senate and the house to come out with their findings. >> none has higher stakes than north korea that threatened to attack guam over a war of words. the president responded to that threat today. >> let's see what he does with guam. he does something in guam, it will be an event to the likes of which that no one has seen before in north korea. >> what do you mean? >> you'll see and he'll see.
he will see. it's not a dare, it's a statement, it has nothing to do with a dare, that's a statement. he is not going around threatening guam, the united states, japan, he is not going to threaten south korea, no, that is not a dare. as you say, that is a statement of fact. >> that came after he suggested that his threat to meet north korea with fire and fury did not go far enough. >> people were questioning that statement, it was too tough? maybe it wasn't tough enough. they have been doing this for a long time. if anything, maybe that statement wasn't tough enough. if north korea does anything in terms of thinking about attack, of anyone that we love or we
represent, or our allies, or us they can be very, very nervous. and they should be. things will happen to them like they never thought possible. >> joining me now is a democrat congressman ted lou. >> the president's repeated provocative comments are wreck less and irresponsible. i served on active duty in guam, there are no good military options against north korea. anything the u.s. does we cannot contain what north korea might do, which means they could launch devastating strikes on south korea where over 150,000 american lives. they can strike guam. the president needs to do the one thing he has yet to do, which is engage in diplomacy.
>> what do you say to those that say that is true, we have been in a stalemate since the 1950s, but it requires these kind of threats to be made? >> it does not require threats like that. it is calm, steady, leadership. it requires the ability to go big and the second strike would annihilate that country. what drupgs was talking about is a pre-emptive first strike on north korea. that leads to miscalculations and what we don't need at this moment. >> restricting first use of nuclear weapons act that would require congressional approval for noouk lar weapons that would be a large be tarture from the status quo from harry truman to
today. >> we introduced this legislation, the constitution gives congress and the congress the right to approve war. there is no way the programmers were giving one person, the president, the ability to launch thousands of nuclear weapons that can kill thousands of people. this makes sure the president does not do a premeditative first strike, we need to approve that first. >> and you would support that for anyone no matter their personality, disposition, or politics. >> we need a structural fix. future presidents could have a mental incapacity. >> i want to get your reaction
to the president's comments. reducing personnel by almost 800 people in russia. >> i don't know why he as this bizarre relationship with putin. we don't want russians to take effect. >> thank you for your time tonight. >> joining me now is steve schmidt. did you find that statement as strange as i did? the russia one? >> of course, and it is so denigrating to those serving.
>> that's a good point. there is something somewhat insulting from essentially the boss of these people saying we're happy they're fired, we don't need them anyway. >> yeah, their live is not easy. we honor our military families. the work of foreign service officers is often of equally dangerous measure and imposes the same type of hard chips. >> what did you make of the president today, i thought he felt bottled in, and he really wants to do it, and today he was able to break out. >> sure, it is performance thaet r for the president.
he is not measuring the words, he is not prepared to speak in depth. and the north korea situation is extremely dangerous. we arrived at the hour that the last three administrations, two democratic, one republican deeply worried about the efforts trying to prevent the arrival of this day. placing it on top of an intercontinental missile. there are no good options, but history teaches us that often events overtake us. that we don't understand fully the intentions of our adverse tear on the other side.
we don't know much about north korea. it is an extremely closed society. our intelligence assets in north korea are very different than what they were in the soviet union strex in the cold war. much of the country is decision making. it is a mystery to us so the chance of miscalculation grows up. should there be a hot war on the korean peninsula, it will be an event from the likes of which we have not seen since the end of world war two. the vietnam war was one where 60,000 americans sacrificed and the glad and treasure of the war's in afghanistan and iraq. but we're talking about on china's door accept, where tens and tens, and tens of thousands of americans are likely to be
killed. with enormous gloeshl impact. we have not had a war like that on this interconnected global society that we live in. donald trump has shown none of the sobriety of presidents operating in hours of crisis. >> what do you making of the language. he was improvising, today both times, i have to admit that my symptom mate was in knots with every sentence and pause, i find myself about where the sentence is going to go. what do you make of the improvisin improvising. >> president's of both parties, if we agrees or disagreed, we
all agreed the words of the president had meaning. the words of the president have little meaning for a lot of reasons and that, too, can be profoundly dangerous. we have seen routinely the president of the united states, the secretary of defense, or senior administration officials going out and saying the president didn't mean that, trying to walk it back and trying to clarify it as if the president is someone incapacitated and needs to be cared for by the other senior wise men around him. he is clearly, clearly not a believer in the power of words in the way his pred ses tors have been. >> do you have, final question about mcconnell, do you understand why the president is
going after the majority leader. >> yes, it is a preposterous situation. if you were an aluminum siding sales man, and you were going to retirement homes saying what they're saying, you would go to jail, it's called fraud. they are telling voters they're going to repeal obama care. guess what? there is no plan. the legislative process was something that approximated a banana republic. it is more complicated. i thought it was incredibly truthful. what is interesting is that it is usually the case that members of congress attack an unpopular
president in their party. as unpopular as he may be, he is double the popularity of congress. and by comparison, they're one of the few institutions of people that make him look all right on any given day. >> thank you for your time. >> up next, more on the president's taunting of mitch mcconnell. why he is picking a fight with the most powerful republican in congress and why it could be dangerous.
retaetedlied on the cable news shows that the president likes to watch. >> our new president has not been in this line of work before, and i think had excessive expectations about how quickly things happen in the democratic process. >> as was so many donald trump feuds, the fight first escalated on twitter. he said that senator mitch mcconnell said i have excessive expectations, i don't think so. then he said do you think mitch mcconnell who screams repeal and replace could not get it done. a few hours later, from his golf club, he said mitch, get back to work and put repeal and replace, tax cuts, and a infrastructure bill on my desk for signing, you can do it. the fight has right-wing people
going along. senators have been siding with their leaders like warren hatch. i fully support him. joining me now is jim manley. he spent a lot of time quasquar off against mitch mcconnell. what do you make of this? >> i'm spending another night with you trying to figure out what this president is up to. once again, it defies every rural. the nexus of his agenda is around the senate. so to assault or trash the majority leader like this is unprecedented. what is he up to? i can only think that he is trying to make distance between himself and house and senate republicans because nothing will
happen for the rest of the year. they're not going to get tax reform done, infrastructure done -- >> you think he knows it and he is trying to put the blame on mcconnell ahead of time? >> yes, in a very handed or heavy fisted manner and it is bound to blow up, but yes, i think that is going on here, but it also allows mcconnell -- has you suggested, i know him well enough to know that he could care less about what this president has to say. she overwhelmingly popular. he has strong support of his caucus, and from here on out, it will be where they're positions come together like tax cuts for the wealthy and big corporations. i can't imagine this guy will go to the matt for this president when he is polling at 36% approval rating.
>> mcconnell's personality can be very hard to read. but the john mccain moment when he puts the thumbs down and kills the repeal bill, i thought back to the fact that he famously is able to hold a grudge. the president said i like people that weren't captured, what is mcconnell like? will this make him less inclined to help the president? will he look for revenge? >> the revenge is -- it may or may not take awhile. she not going to pay any attention to think. he is keeping the focus on his prize, and that is trying to get tack and structure done. and third protect his caucus. he is more so than just about any other senator i have ever
seen immub to these criticisms. that's why i never understand the things about bernie sanders and others saying we have to take it to mitch mcconnell. he could care less about what the other folks think. >> that is a very interesting window. you do think they're not going to take another run at repeal and replace because part of what is interesting here is he seems toing hymn to take another run at it even though most are saying no thank you. >> they made very clear they want to get this behind them as quickly as they want to put it behind them once and for all. maybe they will work on fixes for stability to the system, but their caucus has had it. their goal is work on tax cuts, but before they get to that, as previous folks said, there is a luming possibility of a shut down coming forward in september
when they have to deal with government spending or the debt limit. as i told you before, there is part of me that thinks mcconnell and ryan need these kind of she than -- shenanigans to throw red meat to the base. >> thank you for joining me. >> thank you. >> ahead, the president's first comments on the fbi raid of his former campaign chair's home. we'll play his calculated response next. and also the insane controversy between the secretary of state and this guy. >> you never said that? >> i never said the secretary of state -- >> that is fake news 101. >> there is audio of you saying nonsensical. >> i have the audio at well, thank you. award winning design.
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director about it? >> whether or not it was appropriate, he probably makes consultant fees from all over the place, i don't know, who knows. but i thought that was pretty tough stuff. >> to wake him up, perhaps his family was there. i think that is pretty tough stuff. >> the president had even more to say including if he was considering firing robert mueller. advancing public policy, and providing local support to those living with the disease and their caregivers. but we won't get there without you. visit alz.org to join the fight.
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we have a situation that is very unusual. we have an investigation of something that never took place, and all i say is work with them. because this is an event that never took place. >> president trump from his club insisted nothing to the russian investigation since the home of former campaign manager was raided was revealed. he has. >> is there anything bob mueller could do to send you in that directi direction. i want the senate and the house to come out with their findings. >> the president's lawyer took a
harsher tone saying it is a cross abuse of the judicial process saying these methods are found in russia, not america. this tool was employed for shock value. today, manafort's spokesperson say he is changing his legal council. the stories is that the nature of his investigation has changed so much that he needed to bring on someone with tax specialization, and that is exactly the case with his new lawyer. he has a history with rod rosenstein. focused on very high level
prosecutio prosecutions. kevin understands better than anyone in dc how these international criminal tax situations tend to play out, it's kind of his thing. that said there is also speculation there could have been attention between manafort and his attorney. it is possible there is more to the story than what we're getting. the situation is rocky. >> i want to come back to that. there is interesting back story there. you have been reporting on the white house side. the president seemed like you could watch him walk a tight rope. what is their feeling about manafort right now. >> you're absolutely right in that characterization, chris, of a tight rope. on one hand he is given the party line that he and the white house have put forth on manafort for months now. he played a limited role for a limited period of time. i think that is disingeniujdisi.
they poo poo the investigation, they cast it as an witch hunt even when it pertains to him who, let's face it, they're under pressure to bring an indictment against someone, and manafort is the guy the most likely suspect there. they want to make sure that he stays on their good side because there is concern among folks that i talk to in trump world that he could flib on them and if he did he might have the most to be able to say that would have negative consequences for his family. >> you have to imagine their worried about that. he had, manafort himself alerted authorities to that meeting on june 9th, 2016, that
eight-person meeting that followed the e-mail about the russian government offering his dirt on the rush hand government. it could be seen as some saying hey, i'm looking to cooperate. >> the new york times noted that the authorities first learned about that june conversation thatm manafort made to investigators. the way that it fits into the try angulation is really an important piece of confection here. to his point, manafort is the largest and most slow moving target for mueller. thereicators that he had foreign bank accounts that he may not have disclosed, they can do a check the box prosecution. if manafort ever filed a tax
return and did not reveal, did not disclose he had foreign bank accounts, that could be game oth over for him. >> we don't even have v to look. that is certainly what they're focusing on, and they are driven by this, but he hard had mitted he did not file in a timely fashion. reporting his work in ukraine, and he retro actively did so. that is a admission that he broke a federal law. certainly not ep forced with a lot of teeth, but there is that opening for muler and for congressional investigate everies to go after and build a case against paulmanafort. >> we have seen him switch his representation. the president keeps bringing new
people on, what's the status of the president's legal team right now. >> they're playing catch up. trying to figure out what is going on so they can react to things quickly, and part of the reason his process has been such a mess, in my understanding from speaking to former federal prosecutors, is that the president just doesn't seem to understand the way that lawyer's work. there is a broad sense in the legal community that the president views lawyers as blunt objects. means to an end. pieces on his crehess board tha are interchange able, and the result is that the legal team he has is just constantly in flux. and the result has been that the most powerful man has been in some of the most unorthodox.
>> that was a departure for how they have been talking about him to this point. >> and it was a more forceful defense or attack on those prosecuting manafort. it stood out in both of those ways. i think there is interesting back story on how it came out. it was an e-mail sent to the "wall street journal" reported by another media outlet. they wanted to get it out there, and i think probably it fits into the paradigm where they're trying to say nice things about manafort that makes him feel good to some extent. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> coming up, the nonstop infighting in the trump administration, why the president seems to be fuelled by chaos ahead. and a new milestone in thing one thing two, next.
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thing one tonight, a major milestone for president trump and it has to do with this. >> i love golf, but i don't think i would ever see -- >> i'm not going to play much golf there is a lot of work to be done. i just want to stay in the white house and work my ass off. obama plays more than professional players on the pga tour. you're in the white house, who happens to play golf. >> golf golf golf, more, more. >> i'm not going to time to go play golf, believe me. believe me, folks. >> somehow, the president has
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panera. food as it should be. president trump hit the 200th day of his presidency, but today, a far more elusive achievement. this is the 50th day he spent at a golf property that he owns since taking office. we believe this is a new world record because i don't think we ever had one that owned his own golf course before. it's hard to calculate how many of those days he played golf since trump aides refuse to tell us if he is hitting the links. saying trump left his hours after 4 1/2 hours. about the amount of time it takes to play a round of golf, pool told meetings. no info on his activities there. 4 1/2 hours spent at golf course
today, pool reporters saw golf clubs taken from motor cade. president trump is now halfway to 100 days at his golf courses. >> you know, it's funny, if i get elected president, i'm going to be in the white house a lot. i'm not leaving. we have deals to make. who wants to leave, right? phone with our allstate agent,
the idea that secretary tillerson is going to discuss military matters is simply nonsensical. it is the job of secretary mattis, the secretary of defense, to talk about the military options. secretary tillerson is the chief diplomat of the united states and it is his portfolio to deal with those issues. >> that was the deputy assistant to the president saying no one
should listen to the secretary of state on military matters. they were calming nerves yesterday after president trump and kim jong un exchanged aggressive threating ovs over n weapons. >> i don't think there is an eminent threat in my view. i think americans can sleep well at night, i have no concern over this particular rhetoric in the last few days. >> he is a lightly credentialed ally tied to steve bannon. his presence in the white house is described as one national defense university professor as surreal and horrifying. asked about his comments today, he insisted he was not attacking the secretary of state. >> i never said the secretary -- >> that is fake news 101. >> there is audio of you saying
nonsensical. >> i have the audio too, thank you. they forced the chief diplomat, the amazing rex tillerson giving options is nonsense cable. i was admonishing the journalists and the fake news industrial complex -- if a journalist doesn't know the difference between the secretary of state and the department of defense, they should hand in their credentials. >> so let's listen again to the audio and you can decide what he said. >> the idea that secretary tillerson is going to discuss military matters is simply nonsensical. it is the job of secretary mattis, the secretary of defense to talk about options, secretary tillerson is the chief diplomat of the united states and it is his portfolio to deal with those issues. >> the state department was asked about it. >> secretary tillerson has not spoken about u.s. military
capabilities. you hear my very often from this room when you ask me about u.s. military assets or plans, i refer you to d.o.d. i think everyone clearly heard what secretary tillerson's forceful comments have been and continue to be on the issue of dprk and other issues as well. >> you think he should be paid attention to? >> yes. he is cabinet secretary, fourth in line to the presidency, he carries a big stick. >> well, public nasty infighting is nothing new in this administration. according to the president, they're all just fighting for his love. yes he said that, yes that's next. copd makes it hard to breathe.
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and then you have the leaks where people want to love me and they're all fighting for love. those are not v important but certainly we don't like them. those are inner white house leaks. they're not very important. but actually i'm somewhat honored by them. >> an amazing moment of unguarded honesty from the president of the united states today saying he's honored of reports of conflict among his top staffers who he says just want his love. think about it in the past two weeks we've seen nant any scaramucci very was reince priebus, steve bannon versus h.r. mcmaster, gore ga very was rex tillerson and president trump versus his own attorney general, jeff sessions. the president is feuding with
senator mitch mcconnell. the question is why. why are they all fighting all of the time and what effect sit having? joining me now, a senior contributor at the federalist. and olivia, someone who covers the intrigue in the white house, did you find the president's honesty intriguing when he talked about why he likes those leaks? >> i did certainly. i think it was nonz a way. i think that a lot of the time he probably is flattered by it. and when he reads about anytime the press -- we know he reads his own press. i'm sure he feels particularly important even though it might seem petty to us. he's president of the united states, to be focusing on things like that. it is important to him. remember this is somebody who got his start in the new york tabloids in the media, in wrestling and then in reality television. and so i think this is sort of just what's natural for him, to kind of preside over chaos. we've talked about previously how he's easily bored and that
has a lot to do with what we see in the white house, with him poking at people and contributing to the soens f everyone fighting with each other. >> among liberals on the left there's constant infighting that is largely continued from the primary and they're both ideological and personality wise and there are similarities i think on the conservative side. how much do these fights end up drawing in ideological allies or adversaries. >> i think people have drawn their lines of what they think -- everyone has sort of decided what they think this administration is going to look like and people have said, okay, i'm anti-trump and that's it. there's not been a lot of intel leg churl honesty about this was not the worst thing in the world. this was potentially starting word war iii which is somewhat problematic what's going on right you with north korea. >> i'm curious, when you're watching this h.r. mcmaster versus the alt-right go on which
is an insanely bloody feud. you have breitbart going after the national security adviser. >> a hashtag. >> in the most gross ways that a puppeteer. what does that do to folks watching this on the right? >> i mean i can speak for myself first. >> yeah. >> it's exacerbating. this is how they're conducting themselves in the white house. it's all a game and a reality television show. for me as a conservative, not necessarily a republican, it's heartbreaking because we have control of every single part of government and it's turned into a reality show that might end in a world war. >> god, i hope not. bethany makes an interesting point, olivia. since republicans do control all of government, some of the in-fighting that strikes me is
because the democrats -- you can't blame the democrats for opposition. if things aren't getting done it's got to be someone's fault and it's hard to sell the idea that it's democrats' fault and thus it gets internalized. to do you think of that? >> i totally agree. trump has tried to blame the democrats on health care but it doesn't stick because it's not tethered to reality. now he's fighting with jeff sessions obviously, now he's fighting with mitch mcconnell. i don't think it's particularly surprising. this is somebody who loves to have an enemy, no matter who the enemy is. he's till talking about hillary clinton and the election was nearly a year ago and he's still fighting with the media and continuing that war. and so, you know, it matters in the grand scheme of things and it has anything to do with the lack of his ability to push through an agenda. he's frustrated by his low approval numbers, frustrated by not getting anything done so he
lust lashes out. >> there's two ways to think about it, strategic or impulse. when he was going after jeff sessions, that was just a week and a half ago. he's like humiliating his attorney general in terms that would be an unthinkable scandal and bizarre scandal in any other administration. do you see that as him trying to pressure sessions or as impulse? >> i think it's a little bit of both. it's not smart strategically. my thinking on it that it has on impulse. for better or worse, he seems to be politically gifted in some way. that's how he got to where he is. we have to give him that credit. and everything that he has done, i'm less inclined to think that it's impulse and more that it's stra teejry. >> do you think that, olivia, on the sessions and on mcconnell, which both seem self harming in certain ways, whether that is a strategic decision or an impulse? >> i think it's a combination of
both. i agree. donald trump, even though he obviously is, as you said, a little bit politically talented considering he's president, he still doesn't really understand how things work in washington. he doesn't understand how the justice department works, doesn't understand how congress works and why they can't push through what he wants to do and why he's not just succeeding because he's president. a lot of it has to do with just thinking, well, maybe what people need is they need to hear from me that i'm not going to take this anymore. so i guess it's strategic in that sense. but i think, you know, as you said, it's not the smartest strategy in the world. it's strange to describe it that way, i guess. >> one of the things he said today, he was talking about budgets. we were going to cut and now we're going to build up. i decided literally as if he were a king. there's a budgetary process, a big fight in congress about that. and he really, i think he doesn't understand the restraints on him an that's part of the frustration. >> you look at sort of who he's
attacking. he's attacking the people who the americans like the least, the media and congress. >> bethany and olivia, thank you both. that is all in for this evening. the rachel maddow show starts right now. thanks my friend and thanks to you for joining us at home. lots going on tonight. before we get started with some of the news that has been breaking late into this evening, including new news about the russi russia information, about the president's former campaign chair, the legal netrouble he's in, we're going to get into that. but before that i want to start off a little different to night. i want to raise one quick point of order on the north korea story that we've all been talking about, that everybody has been following all day and into tonight i expect it will be the main story in the news tomorrow and tomorrow night as ll